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It might be a Pellea fern..I see them here in the Hayward Hills aka coffee ferns. Hard to say. I'm hoping its the more exotic Cheilanthes.
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Do you mean Crown 033.jpg from Post 10? Just include the Post #, and we'll all be able to play along.
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"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
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Today we visited some very steep, very shady, low elevation terrain that drew a bevy of ooohs and ahs while we were doing our very best mountain goat impressions. We had only twice before encountered Gratopetalum rusbyi, but today we found it growing alongside Dudleya saxosa and Agave chrysantha. We may return in a couple months to try to catch the Graptos in bloom.
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- Arizona spikemoss, Selaginella arizonica
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- A. chrysantha, nearly spineless
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- D. saxosa / G. rusbyi
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- Some type of Liverwort
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"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
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033 JPG...Echinocereus. In the crevice to the right. A Chelianthus or maybe a licorice fern? I don't know if they are also desert plants. It would be a nice touch in a C&S Garden. UC Berkeley tries to mix a few in with their South American plants.
Great photos. Doing natives here just looks more like northern zones. Must be nice to see more exotics. Well, we do have Redwoods..lol.
Great photos. Doing natives here just looks more like northern zones. Must be nice to see more exotics. Well, we do have Redwoods..lol.
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033 from today is Graptopetalum rusbyi.
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"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
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The liverwort and spikemoss finds remind me how important rain and weather are to habitat experience. In general, we tend to avoid a lot of moisture, since it isn't much fun hiking across wet boulders or driving through mud. But when we do go to places with an abundance of moisture, the entire floral community can be dramatically different. If we return to the place shown above in the dry heat of summer, Dudleya will be difficult to find, much of the Graptopetalum will shrink and disappear, spikemoss will dry and crumble to dust, and liverwort will evaporate. I know because we've been to this place before in the heat of summer, and it was a very different experience.
Agave
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
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It's kind of like that here. Everything is covered with green moss and lichen right now. Mushrooms, ferns and wild bulbs will pop up. We get all kinds of seasonal plant life that goes bonkers during the spring and then completely disappears come summer. We don't have any agave unfortunately, but there are dudleya and yucca that I'm excited to visit after the higher elevation snows melt.
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A return primarily to explore whether the presumed new domesticate Agave we first discovered two and one half years ago (see Post #2) might produce a bloom stalk this year, but (heavy sigh), it's just not to be. We'll try again next year with hopes renewed. This Agave is quite unlike any we have found, including other domesticates. It most resembles A. mckelveyana, but we've never found mckelveyana in such a harsh area or at such low elevation (3100'). The nearest confirmed A. mckelveyana pop is 25 miles away. It might be A. murpheyi × A. mckelveyana or it may be a new taxon altogether, of unknown origin. The nearest Agave growing in the region is A. murpheyi, a known domesticate, at three miles distant.
We were also fortunate enough to find a new petroglyph site, and spent much of the day bisecting the Bradshaw Mountains in the Rockhopper, a 50-mile jaunt, which ended with an horrific car crash not 100' from where we were refueling. We also had encounters with three different snake species, wild burros, and our first encounter with a wild turkey!
We were also fortunate enough to find a new petroglyph site, and spent much of the day bisecting the Bradshaw Mountains in the Rockhopper, a 50-mile jaunt, which ended with an horrific car crash not 100' from where we were refueling. We also had encounters with three different snake species, wild burros, and our first encounter with a wild turkey!
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Agave
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
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There were some snake glyphs (squiggly lines at the bottom).
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"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
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Photo .085 is Miners Lettuce,Claytonia perfoliata. It's probably the first plant you want to teach young nature lovers is an edible wild plant on a walk.
I like the Arizona spike moss. Is that ever sold?
I like the Arizona spike moss. Is that ever sold?
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Oh I see now, good call.
I have not seen spike moss offered. It's actually considered part of the cryptobiotic crust, like liverworts, so would probably be very difficult to maintain in an artificial environment. It pops up during wet winters and is not to be found the rest of the year, at least on this particular hill. But I agree, it's very attractive.
I have not seen spike moss offered. It's actually considered part of the cryptobiotic crust, like liverworts, so would probably be very difficult to maintain in an artificial environment. It pops up during wet winters and is not to be found the rest of the year, at least on this particular hill. But I agree, it's very attractive.
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"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
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Selaginellas are an interesting, huge genus. They're distributed world-wide, some are even cold hardy, and many will grow pretty easily in a terrarium. Don't know if the AZ spike moss needs a dry resting period, but I bet it could grow on a long time. A famous Selaginella is the so-called "resurrection fern," from the Chihuahuan desert.
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Our annual visit to the area surrounding an either natural or feral Washingtonia filifera stand (a hotly contested topic) in central Arizona was as usual, a sensory sensation. In the general area we have Agave murpheyi, an unknown Agave, which will finally bloom this year (yay!!), and a ridiculously steep hill with Graptopetalum rusbyi, Dudleya saxosa, and the very rare Opuntia laevis, along with an unusual Agave growing as low as 2000'. The Agave is almost certainly an unusual A. chrysantha clone that seems to have developed some manner of diminished reproductive capacity. Unfertilized pods drop off most stalks, and some develop bulbils. This may be some affectation of low altitude conditions, we're not sure. We only know there are some strange goings on back there.
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Agave
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
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Continued from previous post...
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- A. chrysantha
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- Mammillaria grahamii / Ferocactus cylindraceus
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- G. rusbyi
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- G. rusbyi / Dudleya saxosa
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- G. rusbyi / D. saxosa
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- G. rusbyi / D. saxosa
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- D. saxosa
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Agave
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
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The strange little Agaves we first discovered nearly four years ago and documented in Posts 1 & 2 may finally provide a clue. One is bolting, and though the stalk is just as peculiar as the plants, it has a waft of moisture-starved A. chrysantha about it. Unfortunately, there is not much to it, and we may miss blooms if we don't time our return properly. My guess is 2-3 weeks, but who knows....
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Agave
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
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Neato.
Hope your timing is right.
Too, I hope you bring a pole-clip to snip off one branch and allow the remaining branches to flower & set seed.
Hope your timing is right.
Too, I hope you bring a pole-clip to snip off one branch and allow the remaining branches to flower & set seed.
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If flowers are chrysantha-colored, I won't even snip one. My worry is that the bloom period will be exceptionally brief, so little room for error in regard to timing.
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"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
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The strange Agave bunch first found four years ago in the OP has finally revealed itself as an odd cultivated or relict population of A. chrysantha. Not the result we had hoped for, but one we had recently come to expect after several years of exploring the area. Mystery solved!
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- Blooms on the stranger are very chrysantha-like.
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"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
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Today's outing encompassed stops at four separate obscure sites in northern Maricopa Cty. These include an old abandoned ranch site that features a natural spring and some interesting feral plants, an Agave murpheyi site, and a Hohokam petroglyph site.
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- No republicans anywhere
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"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
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The first petroglyph is intriguing. Better than a Picaso in its use of a line drawing to depict action and drama. At once a seen of action and domesticity.
Whether I am meant to or not, I see two people running, one in pursuit of the other, and trialing behind them a swirling trail of dust.
In front of them, is a smaller figure hunched over as their hands work at a task, making a fire? and beside the figure a small figure sitting quietly - a child?
And between the two running figures, in the background, two persons in profile, intimate, face to face.
Do you see what I see?
It'd be wonderful to hear the true story of the line drawing from the artist.
Whether I am meant to or not, I see two people running, one in pursuit of the other, and trialing behind them a swirling trail of dust.
In front of them, is a smaller figure hunched over as their hands work at a task, making a fire? and beside the figure a small figure sitting quietly - a child?
And between the two running figures, in the background, two persons in profile, intimate, face to face.
Do you see what I see?
It'd be wonderful to hear the true story of the line drawing from the artist.
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Bananaguy
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Re: Habitat: Desert Palms
NVM pages finally all loaded and see you guys figured the mystery out..That’s really awesome to see succulents growing wild and hanging off the rocks like that. Did you ever get seeds off the two mystery agaves or did you not go back that way again after first visit. Wonder what they are some type of hybrid?
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Re: Habitat: Desert Palms
Yes, collected and growing. They appear to be an unusual form of A. chrysantha.
Agave
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"Some talk the talk, others walk the walk, but I stalk the stalk"