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Agave lophantha
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Agave lophantha
Agave lophantha Schiede (1829)
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"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
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Agave
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"Some talk the talk, others walk the walk, but I stalk the stalk"
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Agave
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"Some talk the talk, others walk the walk, but I stalk the stalk"
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Agave
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"Some talk the talk, others walk the walk, but I stalk the stalk"
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Re: Agave lophantha
They are really variable
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Re: Agave lophantha
Yes, really variable, but the marginal spines are a dead give-away.
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"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"Some talk the talk, others walk the walk, but I stalk the stalk"
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The No 3 Photo could easily pass as an A xylonacantha. I find A xylonacantha a difficult specie to identify. Jkw
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Re: Agave lophantha
Here is a good article on the subject: Agave xylonacantha Salm Dyck and heteracantha Berger
A. heteracantha is considered a synonym of A. lophantha.
The key to identifying A. lophantha lies in the marginal spines. They may rest on enormous teats, and may even have massive bases, but the spines themselves are always short and needle-like. A. xylonacantha spines are massive throughout.
A. heteracantha is considered a synonym of A. lophantha.
The key to identifying A. lophantha lies in the marginal spines. They may rest on enormous teats, and may even have massive bases, but the spines themselves are always short and needle-like. A. xylonacantha spines are massive throughout.
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"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
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Re: Agave lophantha
that one is common to europe as the heteracantha-form of lophantha
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I can see why the article I linked lobbies for A. heteracantha as a distinct species. That example does not have classic A. lophantha marginals, nor are they right for A. xylonacantha.
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"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"Some talk the talk, others walk the walk, but I stalk the stalk"
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Agave lophantha (heteracantha form)
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Re: Agave lophantha
The seventh photo at the Boyce Thompson Arboretum looks like a cross of A. lechuguillax lophantha.
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Here is an Agave lophantha group in my Xeric garden here in Upstate SC.
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Nice! They look very happy.
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"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
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Re: Agave univittata
Some nice ones I spotted at a nursery a few weeks back. I was able to purchase a couple of the pups (the escapees in the second pic) since I have no room at the moment for the whole enchilada. They were such a nice form, I had to have it. 
I don't think this form is too common in cultivation, at least this is the first I've seen of it in a long while:
I don't think this form is too common in cultivation, at least this is the first I've seen of it in a long while:
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Boyce Thompson Arboretum has huge clumps of that form of A. lophantha. They will occasionally have them at their plant sales. I got one a few years back it is starting to look really good and is taking Full Summer sun without a complaint. Also has started to offset, those will get harvested soon.
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Re: Agave univittata
would this one fit Gentry's description of funkiana better? Just asking. Not committed to a different ID.DesertDweller wrote:Some nice ones I spotted at a nursery a few weeks back. I was able to purchase a couple of the pups (the escapees in the second pic) since I have no room at the moment for the whole enchilada. They were such a nice form, I had to have it.
I don't think this form is too common in cultivation, at least this is the first I've seen of it in a long while:
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My understanding is that funkiana has thicker (thus less pliable), and more ascending leaves.
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"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"Some talk the talk, others walk the walk, but I stalk the stalk"
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I agree with Ron's understanding and would like to add that compared to those longer/thinner leafed versions of univittata, that funkiana also has an overall slightly darker coloring to its leaves. I have both growing in virtually the same conditions in my front yard and I will try to take some recent pictures. I'd say that univittata takes the summer here a little better than funkiana, though both are OK in mostly to completely full sun (my funkiana gets a little shade from some overhanging Palo Verde branches).Gee.S wrote:My understanding is that funkiana has thicker (thus less pliable), and more ascending leaves.
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I agree with your observations. I would still say that the description for funkiana in Gentry fits the pics. If they are all univittata then it doesn't matter. The difference between the above plant and funkiana are the result of "funkiana" a darker more southern plant (judging by its frost tenderness) being spread around in cultivation more recently. I think they originated with plant delights nursery but not sure.
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This is "lophantha" mini skirt growing in one of our beds in Pender County NC. We've had a warm but very wet winter. Should have put something in for scale. these are tiny agaves. Link:
https://www.plantdelights.com/products/ ... -miniskirt
https://www.plantdelights.com/products/ ... -miniskirt
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OK, here is a photo documentation of the flowering of my Agave univittata, which went from first obvious appearance of the inflorescence to open flowers in about a month:
The flowers are just out of reach for me and I have no other Agaves in bloom so I was not going to make any kind of effort to collect pollen and or flowers, but I have a ladder so if there is interest I am certainly willing to give it a go this weekend.
I have a number of offsets already in pots in my shade structure, and it has a number of offsets still in the ground, so I am not going to be dependent on it setting seed to keep this plant in my collection.
- No super obvious signs of what is coming on Feb. 14th. 2021, though the large numbers of dead lowers leaves are definitely an indicator.
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- And there is foot of inflorescence on March 22nd 2021 (It appeared as out of nowhere).
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- Progress on March 24th 2021.
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- March 28th 2021.
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- March 30th 2021 - The cardon behind it is >7' tall.
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- April 2nd 2021.
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- April 7th 2021.
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- April 9th 2021: flower buds very obvious, mostly 2 per cluster a few with 3.
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- April 11th 2021.
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- April 22nd 2021: first flowers open.
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- April 22nd 2021: close up of first open flowers.
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- April 23rd 2021: progress of flower opening up the inflorescence.
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- April 23rd 2021: Flowers in detail notice how the pistils of the lower flowers now extend beyond the stamens where they did not before. And that the anthers have pollen available.
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I have a number of offsets already in pots in my shade structure, and it has a number of offsets still in the ground, so I am not going to be dependent on it setting seed to keep this plant in my collection.
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Agave
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"Some talk the talk, others walk the walk, but I stalk the stalk"