Habitat: Giants of the Pinal Mountains
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Habitat: Giants of the Pinal Mountains
We were directed to this spot by a prominent mail-order nursery proprietor who sets up shop on our eastern seaboard. When Tony made mention of 7' x 4' Agaves, we wondered if he might be exaggerating just a tad (don't we all like to round up a little?), but off we went to check out an area at least 50 miles previously off our radar. After all, it would be fun and informative to explore A. chrysantha habitat this far from that with which we have become so intimately familiar. This was an odd spot by our experience, only 2500' - 3000' elevation, and boasting a bevy of unlikely bedfellows, including E. boyce-thompsonii, Mammillaria, Cylindropuntia, Ocotillo, Saguaro, Ferocactus, Creosote, Jojoba and more.
Never before had we seen so many large Agaves, and never before had we seen any Agaves this large in situ. Not only were there plenty of 5' and 6' A. chrysantha strewn about, we found what may be a contender for the largest habitat Agave in all of Arizona. This huge A. chrysantha is currently throwing an oak tree of a flower stalk, so isn't long for this world, but only after reaching leviathan proportions of 8' x 5'! I had just seen 'Big Bertha' three days prior, as Martin introduced me to an enormous 6'+ A. palmeri that stood as the most massive habitat Agave I had seen to date. 'King Chrys' is 50% again as large as that giant.
Never before had we seen so many large Agaves, and never before had we seen any Agaves this large in situ. Not only were there plenty of 5' and 6' A. chrysantha strewn about, we found what may be a contender for the largest habitat Agave in all of Arizona. This huge A. chrysantha is currently throwing an oak tree of a flower stalk, so isn't long for this world, but only after reaching leviathan proportions of 8' x 5'! I had just seen 'Big Bertha' three days prior, as Martin introduced me to an enormous 6'+ A. palmeri that stood as the most massive habitat Agave I had seen to date. 'King Chrys' is 50% again as large as that giant.
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"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"Some talk the talk, others walk the walk, but I stalk the stalk"
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Re: Habitat: Giant Agaves in the Pinal Mountains
Agave
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"Some talk the talk, others walk the walk, but I stalk the stalk"
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BTW, checking the photos and measuring against Peter's height, the jumbo A. chrysantha checks out at 7'10" across.
Agave
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"Some talk the talk, others walk the walk, but I stalk the stalk"
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Re: Habitat: Giants of the Pinal Mountains
Looks like another wonderful field trip! .... One should never doubt the often colorful descriptions Tony provides.
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Re: Habitat: Giants of the Pinal Mountains
Great find you guys. I wish I could have been on that hunt. Martin
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@Harriet: Lesson learned.
@Arizona Agave: It's right up 77, Martin. I'd be happy to meet you there any time, if you'd like to take a look around.

@Arizona Agave: It's right up 77, Martin. I'd be happy to meet you there any time, if you'd like to take a look around.
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"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"Some talk the talk, others walk the walk, but I stalk the stalk"
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Re: Habitat: Giants of the Pinal Mountains
Wonderful! Must be nice to live in the area of such beauty.
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Re: Habitat: Giants of the Pinal Mountains
We revisited and expanded upon a prior habitat excursion from three years ago, and found some breathtaking and unknown-to-us A. toumeyana examples. There are two separate pops, each apparently bound to limestone, which we had not previously seen. One pop features toumeyana different from any we had seen before, small plants with very wide leaves. The other features some of the largest, most dramatically marked toumeyana we've ever seen. In addition, there is no shortage of oversized A. chrysantha in the area.
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"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"Some talk the talk, others walk the walk, but I stalk the stalk"
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Re: Habitat: Giants of the Pinal Mountains
Wish I could grow toumeyana & chrysantha here. Any of the AZ native agaves actually. Or the Baja ones...
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Continued from Post #9...
Agave
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"Some talk the talk, others walk the walk, but I stalk the stalk"
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Re: Habitat: Giants of the Pinal Mountains
Those are monsters! Off the 77? I would love to check that out. I remember some years ago gallivanting around one of the limestone slopes out there, covered in blooming chrysantha. I don't recall seeing anything this big. I wasn't really into agave then, I was more into finding new climbing areas.
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^ Like this one?
Agave
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"Some talk the talk, others walk the walk, but I stalk the stalk"
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Re: Habitat: Giants of the Pinal Mountains
Hahaha! Yes, my old stomping grounds. Sounds like i should revisit with my agave eyes open
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The BIG A. toumeyana were all along that road. Plenty of BIG A. chrysantha there, too. Tough road requires high clearance 4WD.
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"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"Some talk the talk, others walk the walk, but I stalk the stalk"
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Re: Habitat: Giants of the Pinal Mountains
What is the species of Fouquieria which is in the middle of Agave toumeyana ?
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Re: Habitat: Giants of the Pinal Mountains
So much vegetation,its looks more planted than desert. Great!
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I think that has to be Fouquieria splendens aka the Ocotillo.
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Re: Habitat: Giants of the Pinal Mountains
Pic#2, nogoodnik, would be useful for pest identification